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		<title>by: bob</title>
		<link>http://nakedpastor.com/archives/1924#comment-37840</link>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Mar 2008 12:42:38 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Just a few comments:

fishon - "Ok Bob, you make a point, so I will answer as best I can. You gave me 3 options, so I will relay the one that best discribes reason I did not answer. I believe what you said was stupid."
First, please allow me to apologize.  I understand that my comment was very insensitive.  The cross of Jesus is the most significant of Christian beliefs.  I should have taken the time, been more careful, in my choice of words.  That can happen I guess, when what is so important to someone, is of no importance to another.  I am sorry.
Now for the "but".  I don't quite see how my choice of words was "stupid".  I do see how they were offensive though.

fishon - Ok, Bob, I put you to the test.
John 1:1, “In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God and the Word was God.” Meaning please."
Can I do just one?  Yes, I am busy, and running behind.
Well, I was taught that Jesus is the word of God.  He has existed from the beginning, and he was with God from the beginning, as a part of the trinity, but being fully God, he was God.
That is what I learned in church and in my reading.
Am I correct in my explanation?

Ok, one more:
John 14:6, “I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.” Meaning please."
Judging from the verses around this one, Jesus seems to be saying to trust in him, for he is the way to heaven (the way to the father), which is where Jesus is going soon.

Wondering why you chose these verses?

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just a few comments:</p>
<p>fishon - &#8220;Ok Bob, you make a point, so I will answer as best I can. You gave me 3 options, so I will relay the one that best discribes reason I did not answer. I believe what you said was stupid.&#8221;<br />
First, please allow me to apologize.  I understand that my comment was very insensitive.  The cross of Jesus is the most significant of Christian beliefs.  I should have taken the time, been more careful, in my choice of words.  That can happen I guess, when what is so important to someone, is of no importance to another.  I am sorry.<br />
Now for the &#8220;but&#8221;.  I don&#8217;t quite see how my choice of words was &#8220;stupid&#8221;.  I do see how they were offensive though.</p>
<p>fishon - Ok, Bob, I put you to the test.<br />
John 1:1, “In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God and the Word was God.” Meaning please.&#8221;<br />
Can I do just one?  Yes, I am busy, and running behind.<br />
Well, I was taught that Jesus is the word of God.  He has existed from the beginning, and he was with God from the beginning, as a part of the trinity, but being fully God, he was God.<br />
That is what I learned in church and in my reading.<br />
Am I correct in my explanation?</p>
<p>Ok, one more:<br />
John 14:6, “I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.” Meaning please.&#8221;<br />
Judging from the verses around this one, Jesus seems to be saying to trust in him, for he is the way to heaven (the way to the father), which is where Jesus is going soon.</p>
<p>Wondering why you chose these verses?</p>
<p>bob
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		<title>by: fishon</title>
		<link>http://nakedpastor.com/archives/1924#comment-37820</link>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Mar 2008 02:56:35 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Shelley,
 I e-mailed you just a moment ago. 7:50 P.M., Pacific time.
fishon</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Shelley,<br />
 I e-mailed you just a moment ago. 7:50 P.M., Pacific time.<br />
fishon
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		<title>by: Shelley</title>
		<link>http://nakedpastor.com/archives/1924#comment-37811</link>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Mar 2008 00:49:18 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Fishon, Do you have an email or you can find my email on my web site. Wanted to discuss a point. Thanks, Shelley</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fishon, Do you have an email or you can find my email on my web site. Wanted to discuss a point. Thanks, Shelley
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		<title>by: fishon</title>
		<link>http://nakedpastor.com/archives/1924#comment-37810</link>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Mar 2008 00:29:32 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Bob,
YOU: fishon - “You said, “Help me understand,” in reference to “bad weekend.” No, Bob, I am not going to get into that, here.”
Personally, I would never make a comment on what someone said, then when asked to explain, decline. All that does is make me wonder if I said something stupid, insulting, or profound.

Ok Bob, you make a point, so I will answer as best I can. You gave me 3 options, so I will relay the one that best discribes reason I did not answer. I believe what you said was stupid. 

Also, to say "...he knew this was just going to be a bad weekend...," is to demean the curse of all mankind that He was taking upon himself on the Cross. Gal 3:13 Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, Cursed [is] every one that hangeth on a tree. 

For me, to say what took place on the Cross, which was much more than just Jesus dying a miserable death, thousands had already done that, and thousands more would, is to belittle, demean, to make lite of, and to take away from the significance of bearing the sins of mankind upon himself. 

For me, a 'bad weekend' use to discribe a huge drunk and a miserable hangover. Now that's a bad weekend. But to take ALL of mankinds sins upon himself--well, that is UNDISCRIBABLE. So, my friend, there's my answer.

I am trying to decide whether to answer any more? Let me think about it. Ok, I will a little.

YOU: fishon - “If the Holy Spirit has lost His impact upon you, well I would be a fool to think anything I said would make sense.”
Well, I don’t really feel insulted. You can’t help it. You believe the verse; “The preaching of the cross is foolishness to them that parish.” I have asked numerous Christians who use that verse against me, to offer any bible passage to me, to put me (and it) to the test, to see if I will not understand it. They never respond.
----------Ok, Bob, I put you to the test. 
John 1:1, "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God and the Word was God." Meaning please.  
John 14:6, "I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me." Meaning please. 
John 10:33, "We are not stoning you for any of these," replied the Jews, "but for blasphemy, because you, a mere man claim to be God." Meaning please.
Acts 4:12, "Salvation is found in no one else, for there is no other name under heaven given to men by which we must be saved." Meaning please. 
Acts 5:29, "Peter and the other apostles replied: 'We must obey God rather than men!" Meaning please.
1 Tim. 4:16, "Watch your life and DOCTRINE [caps mine] closely. Persevere in them, because if you do, you will save both yourself and your hearers." Meaning please.
Finally, 2 Tim. 4:3-4, "For a time will come when men will not put up with sound doctrine. Instead, to suit their own desires, they will gather around them a great mumber of teachers to say what their itching ears want to hear.They will turn their ears away from the truth and turn aside to myths." Please explain.

Since you said "They never respond," I thought I might make up a little for that. I do look forward to your responces.

I tell you what, Bob, if you don't answer, I will understand. I am sure you are as busy as I am, and I had the Sunday afternoon to consider what you have written and asked. So if you don't answer, it will not infer you don't have and opinion about the scriptures I gave. 

I guess I will end with this. You hang on to your opinion; I will rely on the Truth of the Bible. 
fishon</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bob,<br />
YOU: fishon - “You said, “Help me understand,” in reference to “bad weekend.” No, Bob, I am not going to get into that, here.”<br />
Personally, I would never make a comment on what someone said, then when asked to explain, decline. All that does is make me wonder if I said something stupid, insulting, or profound.</p>
<p>Ok Bob, you make a point, so I will answer as best I can. You gave me 3 options, so I will relay the one that best discribes reason I did not answer. I believe what you said was stupid. </p>
<p>Also, to say &#8220;&#8230;he knew this was just going to be a bad weekend&#8230;,&#8221; is to demean the curse of all mankind that He was taking upon himself on the Cross. Gal 3:13 Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, Cursed [is] every one that hangeth on a tree. </p>
<p>For me, to say what took place on the Cross, which was much more than just Jesus dying a miserable death, thousands had already done that, and thousands more would, is to belittle, demean, to make lite of, and to take away from the significance of bearing the sins of mankind upon himself. </p>
<p>For me, a &#8216;bad weekend&#8217; use to discribe a huge drunk and a miserable hangover. Now that&#8217;s a bad weekend. But to take ALL of mankinds sins upon himself&#8211;well, that is UNDISCRIBABLE. So, my friend, there&#8217;s my answer.</p>
<p>I am trying to decide whether to answer any more? Let me think about it. Ok, I will a little.</p>
<p>YOU: fishon - “If the Holy Spirit has lost His impact upon you, well I would be a fool to think anything I said would make sense.”<br />
Well, I don’t really feel insulted. You can’t help it. You believe the verse; “The preaching of the cross is foolishness to them that parish.” I have asked numerous Christians who use that verse against me, to offer any bible passage to me, to put me (and it) to the test, to see if I will not understand it. They never respond.<br />
&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;-Ok, Bob, I put you to the test.<br />
John 1:1, &#8220;In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God and the Word was God.&#8221; Meaning please.<br />
John 14:6, &#8220;I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.&#8221; Meaning please.<br />
John 10:33, &#8220;We are not stoning you for any of these,&#8221; replied the Jews, &#8220;but for blasphemy, because you, a mere man claim to be God.&#8221; Meaning please.<br />
Acts 4:12, &#8220;Salvation is found in no one else, for there is no other name under heaven given to men by which we must be saved.&#8221; Meaning please.<br />
Acts 5:29, &#8220;Peter and the other apostles replied: &#8216;We must obey God rather than men!&#8221; Meaning please.<br />
1 Tim. 4:16, &#8220;Watch your life and DOCTRINE [caps mine] closely. Persevere in them, because if you do, you will save both yourself and your hearers.&#8221; Meaning please.<br />
Finally, 2 Tim. 4:3-4, &#8220;For a time will come when men will not put up with sound doctrine. Instead, to suit their own desires, they will gather around them a great mumber of teachers to say what their itching ears want to hear.They will turn their ears away from the truth and turn aside to myths.&#8221; Please explain.</p>
<p>Since you said &#8220;They never respond,&#8221; I thought I might make up a little for that. I do look forward to your responces.</p>
<p>I tell you what, Bob, if you don&#8217;t answer, I will understand. I am sure you are as busy as I am, and I had the Sunday afternoon to consider what you have written and asked. So if you don&#8217;t answer, it will not infer you don&#8217;t have and opinion about the scriptures I gave. </p>
<p>I guess I will end with this. You hang on to your opinion; I will rely on the Truth of the Bible.<br />
fishon
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