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	<title>Comments on: Dionysius Revisited?</title>
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	<description>david hayward is an artist trapped inside an pastor's body</description>
	<pubDate>Mon, 06 Oct 2008 16:48:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>by: Chris F</title>
		<link>http://nakedpastor.com/archives/2003#comment-40603</link>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 May 2008 15:43:59 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Thanks for your comment Steve

Of course the Word and all you mention are important and we ignore them at our peril

But I was brought up not to trust my feelings, nor myself - and it is a liberation to be told "trust yourself" When I intuitively know something - then I trust it. I check it for obvious flaws against what my mind knows, but then I go with it. And that's precisely when I discover the surprising insght, the fresh meeting with God - and also I find I know how to respond to those coming to me for help in ways that surprise me as well as them

I have read the whole Bible many times, I pray, I hang around with God's people, I try to take opportunities to do the good that falls to me, like all christians - so what comes out of my feelings and intuition is more likely to be right than wrong. So I can trust myself.

I hope that's helpful - it radically changed my life</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for your comment Steve</p>
<p>Of course the Word and all you mention are important and we ignore them at our peril</p>
<p>But I was brought up not to trust my feelings, nor myself - and it is a liberation to be told &#8220;trust yourself&#8221; When I intuitively know something - then I trust it. I check it for obvious flaws against what my mind knows, but then I go with it. And that&#8217;s precisely when I discover the surprising insght, the fresh meeting with God - and also I find I know how to respond to those coming to me for help in ways that surprise me as well as them</p>
<p>I have read the whole Bible many times, I pray, I hang around with God&#8217;s people, I try to take opportunities to do the good that falls to me, like all christians - so what comes out of my feelings and intuition is more likely to be right than wrong. So I can trust myself.</p>
<p>I hope that&#8217;s helpful - it radically changed my life
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		<title>by: steve martin</title>
		<link>http://nakedpastor.com/archives/2003#comment-40597</link>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 May 2008 14:14:49 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Chris F.,
"What other way does a God utterly beyond us, meet with us except through the senses he has given? Sure, the feelings can be false, and falsely generated - but that does not mean we should label them all as phoney"

The answer to your question is... (drumroll).... His Word and sacraments. Bible, preaching,  baptism and Holy Communion. Things of God from outside of ourselves.

I think it would always do us well to remember that in our relationship to God that WE are the problem.

I do agree with your statement that we shouldn't necessarily label them all (our feelings) as phoney. But  (and it's a big but), we should never trust in them. Our feelings can't be trusted because the devil can come to us as an angel of light and that includes getting into or affecting our feelings. Gord (above in comments) did a fine job of explaining it.

Thanks!

     - Steve</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Chris F.,<br />
&#8220;What other way does a God utterly beyond us, meet with us except through the senses he has given? Sure, the feelings can be false, and falsely generated - but that does not mean we should label them all as phoney&#8221;</p>
<p>The answer to your question is&#8230; (drumroll)&#8230;. His Word and sacraments. Bible, preaching,  baptism and Holy Communion. Things of God from outside of ourselves.</p>
<p>I think it would always do us well to remember that in our relationship to God that WE are the problem.</p>
<p>I do agree with your statement that we shouldn&#8217;t necessarily label them all (our feelings) as phoney. But  (and it&#8217;s a big but), we should never trust in them. Our feelings can&#8217;t be trusted because the devil can come to us as an angel of light and that includes getting into or affecting our feelings. Gord (above in comments) did a fine job of explaining it.</p>
<p>Thanks!</p>
<p>     - Steve
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		<title>by: steven hamilton</title>
		<link>http://nakedpastor.com/archives/2003#comment-40583</link>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 May 2008 12:31:11 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>for about the last 7 years, jacques ellul has been one of my favorite writers and theologians...

...as the (ficticious) spiritual director jon darrow says, we must hold with grace the 'Glamourous Powers', for they are so subtlely and easily purloined by the Devil and can become the phenomena of mere parlour-tricks

i think the point is well-taken for us...and turns me again and again to discernment...

merci david</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>for about the last 7 years, jacques ellul has been one of my favorite writers and theologians&#8230;</p>
<p>&#8230;as the (ficticious) spiritual director jon darrow says, we must hold with grace the &#8216;Glamourous Powers&#8217;, for they are so subtlely and easily purloined by the Devil and can become the phenomena of mere parlour-tricks</p>
<p>i think the point is well-taken for us&#8230;and turns me again and again to discernment&#8230;</p>
<p>merci david
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		<title>by: nakedpastor</title>
		<link>http://nakedpastor.com/archives/2003#comment-40566</link>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 May 2008 10:32:18 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>victor: i'm talking about phenomenology. about how things look or appear. there's nothing unique about the religious experience in Christianity. i'm not trying to pass judgment on what is valid or not here, although i am concerned about that. i'm not an outsider, presently.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>victor: i&#8217;m talking about phenomenology. about how things look or appear. there&#8217;s nothing unique about the religious experience in Christianity. i&#8217;m not trying to pass judgment on what is valid or not here, although i am concerned about that. i&#8217;m not an outsider, presently.
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