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	<title>Comments on: heated discussion on important issues</title>
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		<title>by: Brian M</title>
		<link>http://nakedpastor.com/archives/88#comment-383</link>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Jul 2006 15:16:53 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>She is smart!  But if I can be a little post modern, I don't think any of us can truly read without critiquing at the same time.

We all interpret, that's why I finally woke up from the "we just let the Bible speak for itself" movement I once was part of.

But go for it and tell us what happens!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>She is smart!  But if I can be a little post modern, I don&#8217;t think any of us can truly read without critiquing at the same time.</p>
<p>We all interpret, that&#8217;s why I finally woke up from the &#8220;we just let the Bible speak for itself&#8221; movement I once was part of.</p>
<p>But go for it and tell us what happens!
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		<title>by: David Hayward</title>
		<link>http://nakedpastor.com/archives/88#comment-381</link>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Jul 2006 14:13:49 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Thanks for all your comments. Yes, Brian, I truly intended to critique Harpur's METHOD more than his CONTENT. I didn't intend to critique the CONTENT... not at this point. I do believe his method, right from the start, is suspect. But even my wife Lisa suggested, after the fact, that I read the book first, THEN critique it! She some smart :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for all your comments. Yes, Brian, I truly intended to critique Harpur&#8217;s METHOD more than his CONTENT. I didn&#8217;t intend to critique the CONTENT&#8230; not at this point. I do believe his method, right from the start, is suspect. But even my wife Lisa suggested, after the fact, that I read the book first, THEN critique it! She some smart <img src='http://nakedpastor.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />
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		<title>by: Brian M</title>
		<link>http://nakedpastor.com/archives/88#comment-380</link>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Jul 2006 13:28:58 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>I think David's use of "conspiracy theory" was not in reference to Harpur being part of a conspiracy but Harpur's suggestion that there's a conspiracy to keep the 'truth' from the masses that he's once again uncovered.  It's like saying, "My new book is so brilliant that only stupid people don't get it."  If I don't 'get it' I must be stupid, or in this case, if I don't think Harpur makes sense I must be part of 'the conspiracy' or a close minded nit.

Story time: First year of university Philosophy Class.  First class.  Prof passes out this paper that's a 'test'.  He asks us a series of about 50 questions that we get throgh in about half an hour.  Now we 'grade them ourselves'.  He begins the grading by telling us how incredible it is that we could answer 50 questions in half an hour that philosophers have struggled with, debated and wrestled with for centuries.  Basically he say, "you guys just don't get it."

One of the older guys in class finally speaks up and says, "Maybe we've been wrestling with these same questions before we ever came to Philo 101.  Maybe we've come to some conclusions based on our own experiences and study."

The Prof was having none of it.  If you hadn't 'studied' philosophy and read all the right books, gone to the right conferences, you couldn't possibly have an insight or conclusion worth holding, let alone sharing.

It was a revealing moment for me about the arrogance and prejudice.  We were just close-minded nits to him because we didn't accept his conclusions or because we'd reached our owns without his class.

Part of learning is evaluation.  It's not closed minded to recognize a red herring or other bad reasoning.  Pointing out some shakey thinking isn't 'defending your world view'.  David's list is just a list, he didn't add any 'defense' to it.  Those statements are just what they're labeled.  He doesn't say they're wrong or he disagrees, he just observes.  Why would anyone seeking truth have a problem with that?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think David&#8217;s use of &#8220;conspiracy theory&#8221; was not in reference to Harpur being part of a conspiracy but Harpur&#8217;s suggestion that there&#8217;s a conspiracy to keep the &#8216;truth&#8217; from the masses that he&#8217;s once again uncovered.  It&#8217;s like saying, &#8220;My new book is so brilliant that only stupid people don&#8217;t get it.&#8221;  If I don&#8217;t &#8216;get it&#8217; I must be stupid, or in this case, if I don&#8217;t think Harpur makes sense I must be part of &#8216;the conspiracy&#8217; or a close minded nit.</p>
<p>Story time: First year of university Philosophy Class.  First class.  Prof passes out this paper that&#8217;s a &#8216;test&#8217;.  He asks us a series of about 50 questions that we get throgh in about half an hour.  Now we &#8216;grade them ourselves&#8217;.  He begins the grading by telling us how incredible it is that we could answer 50 questions in half an hour that philosophers have struggled with, debated and wrestled with for centuries.  Basically he say, &#8220;you guys just don&#8217;t get it.&#8221;</p>
<p>One of the older guys in class finally speaks up and says, &#8220;Maybe we&#8217;ve been wrestling with these same questions before we ever came to Philo 101.  Maybe we&#8217;ve come to some conclusions based on our own experiences and study.&#8221;</p>
<p>The Prof was having none of it.  If you hadn&#8217;t &#8217;studied&#8217; philosophy and read all the right books, gone to the right conferences, you couldn&#8217;t possibly have an insight or conclusion worth holding, let alone sharing.</p>
<p>It was a revealing moment for me about the arrogance and prejudice.  We were just close-minded nits to him because we didn&#8217;t accept his conclusions or because we&#8217;d reached our owns without his class.</p>
<p>Part of learning is evaluation.  It&#8217;s not closed minded to recognize a red herring or other bad reasoning.  Pointing out some shakey thinking isn&#8217;t &#8216;defending your world view&#8217;.  David&#8217;s list is just a list, he didn&#8217;t add any &#8216;defense&#8217; to it.  Those statements are just what they&#8217;re labeled.  He doesn&#8217;t say they&#8217;re wrong or he disagrees, he just observes.  Why would anyone seeking truth have a problem with that?
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		<title>by: David Hayward</title>
		<link>http://nakedpastor.com/archives/88#comment-378</link>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Jul 2006 02:19:55 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://nakedpastor.com/archives/88#comment-378</guid>
					<description>My good friend Jeff: I'm not permitted, it seems, to draw any conclusions prematurely. So neither are you. Na-na-na-na-na-na! (Please read critics of Harpur, as well as his fans.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My good friend Jeff: I&#8217;m not permitted, it seems, to draw any conclusions prematurely. So neither are you. Na-na-na-na-na-na! (Please read critics of Harpur, as well as his fans.)
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