Original Thought

"Original Thought" cartoon by nakedpastor David Hayward

“Original Thought” cartoon by nakedpastor David Hayward

 

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  1. Caryn LeMur says:

    Hahahahaha!! Love this one!

    Yes, the person that is content with their question is the person that everyone stares upon…..

  2. Jack Russell says:

    “Content with their question” – I like that Caryn.

    🙂

    David – I like how you did that with the can on the deck chair looking content and likewise with this smiley face. It can make you different to be like this which has its own challenges? Would I be correct in detecting a theme running through with what you have talked of recently with stages, the cans on the beach and the light bulbs with Fowlers stage 5?

    ” It is rare for people to reach this stage before mid-life. This is the point when people begin to realize the limits of logic and start to accept the paradoxes in life. They begin to see life as a mystery and often return to sacred stories and symbols but this time without being stuck in a theological box.”

  3. Jack Russell says:

    Perhaps this is the appropriate time to talk about something I need to get off my chest.

    Caryn – you made a stark claim recently in a particular context that if I continued with the approach I took of in the midst of battle loving enemies that this would be destructive to women, saying “in a way, you have a bank account. An emotional one… almost all the women I know have limited ‘cash’ in their emotional bank.” You wrote, “in my mind, the Church should be the one place wherein you can find rampant equality dominating
    I lean towards the pointing finger, the acceptance of blame, the work of repentance, the recreation of the organization.” I my experience the women in circles I mix with are as robust emotionally as I am and not one woman has expressed any approach I advocate as destructive to women. So, I am curious as to why you have concluded that.

    As a believer you seem content with referring to the bible as authoritative with saying you have a high view of scripture.

    “If you do away with the yoke of oppression,
        with the pointing finger and malicious talk,
    and if you spend yourselves in behalf of the hungry
        and satisfy the needs of the oppressed,
    then your light will rise in the darkness” (Is 58:9,10).

    So again I would suggest that loving enemies in this context is a strength, not a weakness and absolutely not something that is destructive towards women. Could it be that you have been experiencing some cognitive dissonance with being a believer and a high view of scripture whilst advocating the pointing finger where the bible here places such action in the same light as oppression. Could it be that this has resulted in unavoidable tension that instead of coming into line with the view you hold to about the bible, you have chosen to make a claim which may not be accurate?

    Just a couple of questions.

    Thanks for listening, understanding and considering which I know you will do.

  4. Caryn LeMur says:

    Jack: yes, you are right that I tend to speak out against evil. To me, that is not “pointing a finger and malicious talk”.

    In my past, I did some evils. I am delighted that I was forgiven and not subject to malicious talk. But… I don’t deny those evils among my old friends that know. I make no excuse. I did wrong.

    I urge others to the same standard. We need to ‘own’ our strike-outs, and fix the issue. If we are forgiven, we still need to fix the issue / drive / motive / whatever within us. We do not deny what we did, or blame the victim.

    Then, we show love.

    We show love to our own selves… and to those we wronged… and to our enemies.

    That is all in line with my view of the life of Jesus. Who can ever forget Jesus pointing a finger in Matthew chapter 23? Who can ever forget that Jesus ‘owned’ his actions – even saying that ‘no man is taking my life; rather, I am laying it down of my own accord.’ Who can ever forget Jesus forgiving – saying, ‘Father, forgive them, for they do not know what they are doing.’ ?

    Thus, I have little to no cognitive dissonance between my belief system and the Bible.

  5. Jack Russell says:

    Caryn.

    You have twisted my words. I did not say that you tend to speak against evil but you are saying that I have. I find it ironic that you do this and what you have claimed as I have mentioned elsewhere about me while in the same comment say “we need to ‘own’ our strike-outs, and fix the issue.” Your brother is not your enemy!

    You wrote: “we show love… and to our enemies” and yes when I say that, you claim that what I am doing is damaging to women. Why?

    When I quoted “do away with the yoke of oppression, with the pointing finger and malicious talk” it was in the context of your admission “I lean towards the pointing finger” you have not address this. Yet biblically in this context, pointing the finger is regarded as comparable to oppression and malicious talk.

    You have said some true things about Jesus but what you are doing with claiming Jesus was pointing the finger is at odds with the Is 58:9.10 and likens what he is doing to oppression and malicious talk. Who can forget him turning over the tables but can you understand how your choice of words with saying you learn to pointing the finger and Jesus doing the same can paint you and Jesus in a bad light?

    I don’t understand why you have made the claim that my approach is destructive to women. It is completely at odds with my experience with women I know. All that happens it that my skin get thicker, my heart gets stronger and greater distance opens up between us. If you are going to remove the speck in my eye at any time, it may help to determine whether there is a speck there in the first place and whether you can see clearly or there is a plank in your eye that needs to be removed so you can see clearly.

    No offence.

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