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This drawing is inspired by the Ouroboros Snake... of the snake eating its own tail.
What came first? The chicken or the egg? What came first? The thug or the theology? I read Tony Jones' thoughts on Mark Driscoll.
Jones has always admired Driscoll, maybe envies him a little, wants the best for him, believes he can be redeemed, and suggests that things can be restored.
What I found most interesting though is that Jones believes the problem with Driscoll is theological.
That is, did Driscoll become the focus of concern because of his theology? Or was it because of his behavior?
I'm concerned that Jones' post reflects the refusal of the church to understand spiritual abuse. It neglects the pathology of its abusive leaders. I don't think this is being fair to the victims or the perpetrators of spiritual abuse. People are victims of not just a bad theology, but a pathological cruelty.
I don't think Driscoll's theology made this happen. Driscoll "embraced" his toxic version of theology because it aligned with his moral compass. It fit his personality. It worked for him to achieve his goals. Then it manifested the worst in him. Then he continued to develop his toxic theology in order to make more room for his pathological behavior. Mars Hill Church too.
Jones' sentence, "It could have happened to any of us." is true, because I believe we all participate in this dynamic. Theology is our creation. It is a reflection of our drives and desires.
Then, not satisfied to only be the product of our drives and desires, it also becomes the producer of them. Theology is a vicious cycle of our desperate need to understand and control our universe.
Step into this cycle at any point and you can see that we are both the root and fruit of our theology and pathology.
And yes, it spins out of control by manifesting itself in toxic, controlling, and abusive behavior. Nothing can be done about bad theology because of free thought and speech.
But we can do something when this manifests itself in bad behavior. Cruel theology is a nuisance. Cruel behavior is unacceptable.
When Driscoll thinks bully to his people, we can say please stop. But when he actually bullies people, we can step in and say you will stop now!
I don't think this is a theological issue. I think it is a pathological one. Not just for Driscoll and Jones, but for the entire church.
If we would be healed, our theology would take care of itself.
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The irony that Musick can’t face it.
Doesn’t want to face it.
Doug won’t face it.
I’d have so many crude words to say for the coward but I think he’d just think ALL of them as personal attacks and he’d act as if he’s being martyred.
Can a hyperfanatical Christian be diagnosed with NPD?
Completely agree, David. It’s just that there is usually more to than what meets the eye is all, and seldom are that many people interested in what I’m getting at (it’s more abstract and less to the point), especially in the “heat of the moment.” :)
Chris you make sense. John Musick is divorced so maybe his “angry wife diatribe” was projection? Yes we all bring our own stuff to the conversation, absolutely. I bring my wiring for justice and for wrongs to be righted especially if we claim to be representatives of God. This has NOTHING to do with divorce and everything to do with the original topic of the post. Thugs and theology….I offered I think it’s “Pathology before Theology.” I experienced first hand spiritual abuse cleverly orchestrated by a diagnosed narcissist. I asked for a public apology for my name and mental health being tarnished. John Musick also works at Doug Pagitt Radio, so it makes perfect sense he would try and discredit me. I am VERY used to this carbon copy campaign.
I hope you don’t feel brushed off here Chris Hill. I think it IS important to remember we are all approaching this and expressing ourselves from our own perspectives. What is refreshing about this conversation is that the voiceless are speaking loud and clear, and it seems to be upsetting to those who’ve had the microphone up to now.
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Why would anyone want to put their personal contact info out? I, for one, do not want my abusers to find me and harass me. I have had enough of that. I moved, changed my phone, changed jobs, changed schools for my kids. More peaceful now. My only torment now is the by-product of my own thinking.