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What came first? The chicken or the egg? What came first? The thug or the theology? I read Tony Jones' thoughts on Mark Driscoll.
Jones has always admired Driscoll, maybe envies him a little, wants the best for him, believes he can be redeemed, and suggests that things can be restored.
What I found most interesting though is that Jones believes the problem with Driscoll is theological.
That is, did Driscoll become the focus of concern because of his theology? Or was it because of his behavior?
I'm concerned that Jones' post reflects the refusal of the church to understand spiritual abuse. It neglects the pathology of its abusive leaders. I don't think this is being fair to the victims or the perpetrators of spiritual abuse. People are victims of not just a bad theology, but a pathological cruelty.
I don't think Driscoll's theology made this happen. Driscoll "embraced" his toxic version of theology because it aligned with his moral compass. It fit his personality. It worked for him to achieve his goals. Then it manifested the worst in him. Then he continued to develop his toxic theology in order to make more room for his pathological behavior. Mars Hill Church too.
Jones' sentence, "It could have happened to any of us." is true, because I believe we all participate in this dynamic. Theology is our creation. It is a reflection of our drives and desires.
Then, not satisfied to only be the product of our drives and desires, it also becomes the producer of them. Theology is a vicious cycle of our desperate need to understand and control our universe.
Step into this cycle at any point and you can see that we are both the root and fruit of our theology and pathology.
And yes, it spins out of control by manifesting itself in toxic, controlling, and abusive behavior. Nothing can be done about bad theology because of free thought and speech.
But we can do something when this manifests itself in bad behavior. Cruel theology is a nuisance. Cruel behavior is unacceptable.
When Driscoll thinks bully to his people, we can say please stop. But when he actually bullies people, we can step in and say you will stop now!
I don't think this is a theological issue. I think it is a pathological one. Not just for Driscoll and Jones, but for the entire church.
If we would be healed, our theology would take care of itself.
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Tim, thank you for adding such dimension to this important discussion! Quit your day job you have a knack for finding things on the web. Unfortunately, “frivolous lawsuits” are almost impossible to prove. Anytime someone files a motion you have to respond…it’s a broken system for sure…but yes, it has been discussed. This entire mess with JoPa group, EV leadership AND Mars Hill and the reason they look like THIS, is because of very real and yet denied mental illnesses. I say this as gently and lovingly as I can…there is help for NPD’s but they have to first accept the diagnosis. If those EV JoPa and MH friends love and care about their leaders, then take care of them and get them the help they need, so they can have healthy relationships and not abuse their positions of power. That would be the true miracle in all of this, if those people Mark Driscoll and the JoPa brothers got therapy to keep them in check.
Bill,
There are certainly elements of http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strategic_lawsuit_against_public_participation SLAPP (strategic lawsuit against public participation)-like behaviour from Tony Jones on blogs other communication media , but also http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vexatious_litigation two-party vexatious civil litigation surrounding the divorce and children . There must be some terribly tolerant judges out there…
Tim,
I’m wondering whether what Julie has been experiencing from her ex-husband would be considered http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lawfare Lawfare . and I’m not a lawyer, either. :)
Julie, I am not a lawyer, and your lawyer probably knows about this already, but…
Courts can place conditions upon people who continually raise similar lawsuits, and are seen to be wasting the court’s time. However, unfortunately, the applicant usually needs to go to extreme lengths before these remedies are activated:
http://www.loweringthebar.net/2008/01/appellate-court.html Appellate Court Agrees that Written Request to “Kiss My Ass” is Contempt of Court
@Steve – apology accepted. However, you didn’t try to connect me to the board and I refused to speak to them. Rather two people Danielle Shroyer and Mel Bray were sent out to “manage me” – I shot them several emails to see if we could connect but they didn’t really respond. So, after not hearing back a few times, I moved on. Please it’s critical that we get the facts straight. I did my damndest to meet with folks to clear my name only to be told that one doesn’t reconcile with Hitler, I’m a wingnut, troll, hack, liar, posionious source, etc.
I bring up my “mental illness” and Julie’s as this was a common tactic that I saw employed in other instances as well. Again, I need to let those people chose to speak up as they feel called to do so. This was a common tactic employed by the EV network during this time to silence any dissent.
Sorry to learn that you were thrown under the bus – I was told by numerous sources that Doug instructed you to scrub the website. I’m glad you didn’t do that and saddened that they used you as a scapegoat.