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This drawing is inspired by the Ouroboros Snake... of the snake eating its own tail.
What came first? The chicken or the egg? What came first? The thug or the theology? I read Tony Jones' thoughts on Mark Driscoll.
Jones has always admired Driscoll, maybe envies him a little, wants the best for him, believes he can be redeemed, and suggests that things can be restored.
What I found most interesting though is that Jones believes the problem with Driscoll is theological.
That is, did Driscoll become the focus of concern because of his theology? Or was it because of his behavior?
I'm concerned that Jones' post reflects the refusal of the church to understand spiritual abuse. It neglects the pathology of its abusive leaders. I don't think this is being fair to the victims or the perpetrators of spiritual abuse. People are victims of not just a bad theology, but a pathological cruelty.
I don't think Driscoll's theology made this happen. Driscoll "embraced" his toxic version of theology because it aligned with his moral compass. It fit his personality. It worked for him to achieve his goals. Then it manifested the worst in him. Then he continued to develop his toxic theology in order to make more room for his pathological behavior. Mars Hill Church too.
Jones' sentence, "It could have happened to any of us." is true, because I believe we all participate in this dynamic. Theology is our creation. It is a reflection of our drives and desires.
Then, not satisfied to only be the product of our drives and desires, it also becomes the producer of them. Theology is a vicious cycle of our desperate need to understand and control our universe.
Step into this cycle at any point and you can see that we are both the root and fruit of our theology and pathology.
And yes, it spins out of control by manifesting itself in toxic, controlling, and abusive behavior. Nothing can be done about bad theology because of free thought and speech.
But we can do something when this manifests itself in bad behavior. Cruel theology is a nuisance. Cruel behavior is unacceptable.
When Driscoll thinks bully to his people, we can say please stop. But when he actually bullies people, we can step in and say you will stop now!
I don't think this is a theological issue. I think it is a pathological one. Not just for Driscoll and Jones, but for the entire church.
If we would be healed, our theology would take care of itself.
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Wow I used to read a little of TJ’s blog after being away from anything related to the church for a long time. I remember him having a little rant about his ex, sharing his side of the story. I am glad Julie you have had a safe place to tell yours. This has been amazing to read. If the mother of his children was indeed so troubled, surely the man of Gods response is to help her. The men of God’ s response would be to surround her in love. The spiritual wife stuff ….makes me want to throw up. I bought a book of TJ s in the forward is a glowing tribute to Julie. I wonder if the onset of the “mental illness” coincided with the new relationship with the spiritual wife. Anyway this triggered so many feelings and memories for me. Julie I can’t imagine how painfull this has been for you. Thank you David for providing a safe place for the less “powerful”
Mike, you can read some of the background and tone http://www.patheos.com/blogs/tonyjones/2014/09/04/some-thoughts-about-mark-driscoll/ in Tony’s original post at http://www.patheos.com/blogs/tonyjones/2014/09/04/some-thoughts-about-mark-driscoll/ (Tony’s blog entry prompted David’s cartoon at the top of this post):
“Probably what was most disconcerting to those Baby Boomer pastors was that many of my peers, Mark included, were the heirs apparent to their megachurch kingdoms. But most of them have spurned that. Brian McLaren, Doug Pagitt, Chris Seay, Danielle Shroyer, Brad Cecil — each of them pastored or pastors a small or mid-sized church. Of the original emergent group, only Mark went on to megachurch superstardom.”
[I’m sure I’ve seen some of those names in this thread – no wonder they want to control their image as pastors.]
“Sure, Mark had personality traits that all of us saw even in 1998 that would lead him eventually to a very reified and right wing theology. He was also brilliant, hilarious, and an egomaniac. He loved the spotlight and hogged the mic. But he wasn’t evil. He was passionate. We all were.
But somewhere it spun out of control."
Indeed.
For those who are interested, this post is now #5 when I search for “Tony Jones” (your ranking may vary)
https://www.google.com.au/?q=tony+jones
Way to go, David… staying true to yourself! If you would have caved (and I never thought you were going to do so), I still would still have accepted you as you are, always holding out for what you would still become. Lol, the story of my own life, as one who spends a lot of time in self-examination. Nothing’ but love here for you, and this thread, and for Julie.
@David Hayward, is there any chance you could post some of those emails, messages, etc., so we can be educated in how this works behind the scenes. I’m not interested in names, I’m curious as to methodology. Is it all legal threats? Is it good ol’ boy network back scratching? I’m accustomed to whispering campaigns in church among people who know each other, not out in the worldwide webs attempting to manipulate someone else’ publishing. #naive #IKR