Tony Jones on Mark Driscoll: What came first, the thug or the theology?

Tony Jones on Mark Driscoll: What came first, the thug or the theology?

This drawing is inspired by the Ouroboros Snake... of the snake eating its own tail. 

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What came first? The chicken or the egg? What came first? The thug or the theology? I read Tony Jones' thoughts on Mark Driscoll.

Jones has always admired Driscoll, maybe envies him a little, wants the best for him, believes he can be redeemed, and suggests that things can be restored.

What I found most interesting though is that Jones believes the problem with Driscoll is theological.

  • He titles his post is "Thoughts about Mark Driscoll"
  • He talks about the "heady" days of publishing and speaking.
  • He dismisses his disturbing personality traits by his use of the word "sure".
  • He says it isn't a moral issue (evil) but that he is passionate.
  • He says more than once that Driscoll is "extremely smart" or "brilliant".
  • He suggests that he will "see" (as in "think"?) his way out of this.
  • He writes that Driscoll has just embraced a toxic version of theology.
  • He hopes that Driscoll will turn away from this toxic theology.
  • He concludes therefore that Driscoll is not the problem, but his theology.

But my question is‚ What came first? The thug or the theology?

That is, did Driscoll become the focus of concern because of his theology? Or was it because of his behavior?

I'm concerned that Jones' post reflects the refusal of the church to understand spiritual abuse. It neglects the pathology of its abusive leaders. I don't think this is being fair to the victims or the perpetrators of spiritual abuse. People are victims of not just a bad theology, but a pathological cruelty.

I don't think Driscoll's theology made this happen. Driscoll "embraced" his toxic version of theology because it aligned with his moral compass. It fit his personality. It worked for him to achieve his goals. Then it manifested the worst in him. Then he continued to develop his toxic theology in order to make more room for his pathological behavior. Mars Hill Church too.

Jones' sentence, "It could have happened to any of us." is true, because I believe we all participate in this dynamic. Theology is our creation. It is a reflection of our drives and desires.

Then, not satisfied to only be the product of our drives and desires, it also becomes the producer of them. Theology is a vicious cycle of our desperate need to understand and control our universe.

Step into this cycle at any point and you can see that we are both the root and fruit of our theology and pathology.

And yes, it spins out of control by manifesting itself in toxic, controlling, and abusive behavior. Nothing can be done about bad theology because of free thought and speech.

But we can do something when this manifests itself in bad behavior. Cruel theology is a nuisance. Cruel behavior is unacceptable.

When Driscoll thinks bully to his people, we can say please stop. But when he actually bullies people, we can step in and say you will stop now!

I don't think this is a theological issue. I think it is a pathological one. Not just for Driscoll and Jones, but for the entire church.

If we would be healed, our theology would take care of itself. 

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1079 comments

Jenell, I love these two sentences:

“American law doesn’t allow us to write off someone’s testimony because of their mental health.”
“If anyone sends me bullshit in an email, I will post it here with their name.”

There is far too little of this attitude in the world – and far too much suppressed. Thank you for speaking out.

Annie, we’re fortunate that nakedpastor isn’t part of an overarching organisation, syndicate, or network.
That would just be another level to push to delete content.

David, Re: scrolling on my iPad – I ended up signing up for email notification of new comments. Works like a charm in my inbox!
(Or I could save a link to one of the later posts and use that – for those whose fingers are getting tired, the links are in the post date/time.)

Tim

@David Hayward- really? Floods of private emails? Have you been threatened with legal if you don’t delete? Gross. And cowardly.

Annie

Kate, I cannot take credit for coining the new and so, so appropriate word, “thugology” but I will be sure to use it! Next to your perfect definition, I have two head shots that would work accurately as prime examples. I did not make “thugology” up, it was one of the other 435 caring, intelligent, aware, loving and unafraid people of this Holy thread. I guess we had something to say?! (Understatement). And, David Hayward courageously refusing to back down when the back channels flooded him with private emails to STOP!!!! DELETE. DELETE. The truth is getting out and we can not contain it!!! So, lawyers were contacted…but the truth keeps coming. Yes, this is the work of the Holy Spirit. She will have her way. Where did Doug go? Tony? John Musick? Jon Sweeney? Crickets? Ya got nothin’? Nothing at all you would like to add here? I think an apology would be appropriate right about now. That is if you are capable. Some people simply can not, and that is kinda pathetic and sad.

Julie McMahon

@Julie: “thugology” wins the internet for the day. Here’s a working definition for this useful new word.

thugology (n) a world view grounded in the personality of a bully, especially one that pretends to be concerned with matters of theology

kate willette

Wow. Still following the comments. It’s like everyday there is a new comment(s) that blows me away. Now I’m blown away by Jenell’s comment.

Dan Brennan

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