Tony Jones on Mark Driscoll: What came first, the thug or the theology?

Tony Jones on Mark Driscoll: What came first, the thug or the theology?

This drawing is inspired by the Ouroboros Snake... of the snake eating its own tail. 

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What came first? The chicken or the egg? What came first? The thug or the theology? I read Tony Jones' thoughts on Mark Driscoll.

Jones has always admired Driscoll, maybe envies him a little, wants the best for him, believes he can be redeemed, and suggests that things can be restored.

What I found most interesting though is that Jones believes the problem with Driscoll is theological.

  • He titles his post is "Thoughts about Mark Driscoll"
  • He talks about the "heady" days of publishing and speaking.
  • He dismisses his disturbing personality traits by his use of the word "sure".
  • He says it isn't a moral issue (evil) but that he is passionate.
  • He says more than once that Driscoll is "extremely smart" or "brilliant".
  • He suggests that he will "see" (as in "think"?) his way out of this.
  • He writes that Driscoll has just embraced a toxic version of theology.
  • He hopes that Driscoll will turn away from this toxic theology.
  • He concludes therefore that Driscoll is not the problem, but his theology.

But my question is‚ What came first? The thug or the theology?

That is, did Driscoll become the focus of concern because of his theology? Or was it because of his behavior?

I'm concerned that Jones' post reflects the refusal of the church to understand spiritual abuse. It neglects the pathology of its abusive leaders. I don't think this is being fair to the victims or the perpetrators of spiritual abuse. People are victims of not just a bad theology, but a pathological cruelty.

I don't think Driscoll's theology made this happen. Driscoll "embraced" his toxic version of theology because it aligned with his moral compass. It fit his personality. It worked for him to achieve his goals. Then it manifested the worst in him. Then he continued to develop his toxic theology in order to make more room for his pathological behavior. Mars Hill Church too.

Jones' sentence, "It could have happened to any of us." is true, because I believe we all participate in this dynamic. Theology is our creation. It is a reflection of our drives and desires.

Then, not satisfied to only be the product of our drives and desires, it also becomes the producer of them. Theology is a vicious cycle of our desperate need to understand and control our universe.

Step into this cycle at any point and you can see that we are both the root and fruit of our theology and pathology.

And yes, it spins out of control by manifesting itself in toxic, controlling, and abusive behavior. Nothing can be done about bad theology because of free thought and speech.

But we can do something when this manifests itself in bad behavior. Cruel theology is a nuisance. Cruel behavior is unacceptable.

When Driscoll thinks bully to his people, we can say please stop. But when he actually bullies people, we can step in and say you will stop now!

I don't think this is a theological issue. I think it is a pathological one. Not just for Driscoll and Jones, but for the entire church.

If we would be healed, our theology would take care of itself. 

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1079 comments

The darkness wants to silence truth, but the light brings healing and truth. Mark Driscoll’s fall has illustrated that we can expose this darkness.

Josh

Thank you for the support. Christ was a truth teller and that is why this is so important to bring it to light.

Julie McMahon

Julie- so glad you are speaking.

Annie

Picking up on the NPD megachurch pastor commentary – here in us emergent world, you have the combustion of two NPD worlds – first the evangelical quest to follow the next Xn celebrity rock star coupled with the strain of male dominated NPD found in palces like Silicon Valley where there’s an obsession to discover the next big thing. I started interviewing US emergent folks in 2004 and attended my first US emergent event in 2005. I could run EVERY one of these interviews today and it’s SNAFU – but back then there was such a longing for community that I ignored some warning signs that something was amiss. My apologies Julie for promoting a few voices and not really speaking out until 2007 butI was blinded briefly by the BS.

Then when some of us spoke out against Emergent Village and Outlaw Preachers’ bullying tactics, we were told to “make nice,” “be good girls,” “you’re just whinning because you weren’t asked to speak” and other phrases that completely dismissed the bullying as “boys will be boys” behavior. This dismissal caused most victims to stay silent – there have been some eruptions most notably after Phyllis Tickle’s Memphis snafu and Tony’s obsession to stop @emergentdudebro but eventually the US Emergent crew managed to silence the convo …

Don’t let this happen again. We need to follow Julie’s lead re what can/cannot be done in her paticular case at a given time — but this is much bigger. How do we create spaces for all those victims who have been silenced to come forward. This is by no means not the only abusive story I’ve heard. And that’s just godawful.

Becky Garrison

I have been silenced and threatened for years. This is nothing new. This happened. It’s real and I’m being silenced for speaking the truth.

Julie McMahon

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