Tony Jones on Mark Driscoll: What came first, the thug or the theology?

Tony Jones on Mark Driscoll: What came first, the thug or the theology?

This drawing is inspired by the Ouroboros Snake... of the snake eating its own tail. 

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What came first? The chicken or the egg? What came first? The thug or the theology? I read Tony Jones' thoughts on Mark Driscoll.

Jones has always admired Driscoll, maybe envies him a little, wants the best for him, believes he can be redeemed, and suggests that things can be restored.

What I found most interesting though is that Jones believes the problem with Driscoll is theological.

  • He titles his post is "Thoughts about Mark Driscoll"
  • He talks about the "heady" days of publishing and speaking.
  • He dismisses his disturbing personality traits by his use of the word "sure".
  • He says it isn't a moral issue (evil) but that he is passionate.
  • He says more than once that Driscoll is "extremely smart" or "brilliant".
  • He suggests that he will "see" (as in "think"?) his way out of this.
  • He writes that Driscoll has just embraced a toxic version of theology.
  • He hopes that Driscoll will turn away from this toxic theology.
  • He concludes therefore that Driscoll is not the problem, but his theology.

But my question is‚ What came first? The thug or the theology?

That is, did Driscoll become the focus of concern because of his theology? Or was it because of his behavior?

I'm concerned that Jones' post reflects the refusal of the church to understand spiritual abuse. It neglects the pathology of its abusive leaders. I don't think this is being fair to the victims or the perpetrators of spiritual abuse. People are victims of not just a bad theology, but a pathological cruelty.

I don't think Driscoll's theology made this happen. Driscoll "embraced" his toxic version of theology because it aligned with his moral compass. It fit his personality. It worked for him to achieve his goals. Then it manifested the worst in him. Then he continued to develop his toxic theology in order to make more room for his pathological behavior. Mars Hill Church too.

Jones' sentence, "It could have happened to any of us." is true, because I believe we all participate in this dynamic. Theology is our creation. It is a reflection of our drives and desires.

Then, not satisfied to only be the product of our drives and desires, it also becomes the producer of them. Theology is a vicious cycle of our desperate need to understand and control our universe.

Step into this cycle at any point and you can see that we are both the root and fruit of our theology and pathology.

And yes, it spins out of control by manifesting itself in toxic, controlling, and abusive behavior. Nothing can be done about bad theology because of free thought and speech.

But we can do something when this manifests itself in bad behavior. Cruel theology is a nuisance. Cruel behavior is unacceptable.

When Driscoll thinks bully to his people, we can say please stop. But when he actually bullies people, we can step in and say you will stop now!

I don't think this is a theological issue. I think it is a pathological one. Not just for Driscoll and Jones, but for the entire church.

If we would be healed, our theology would take care of itself. 

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1080 comments

I have a friend going through a divorce. She’s been counseled not to press charges for the physical assaults and harassment because it will hurt her in divorce court and with the custody dispute. She allows herself to be at risk because it is more likely to protect her children in the long run by giving her primary custody of then. So you can shut your sanctimonious cakehole about how it only counts if it’s in the official record and he was convicted of it.

Annie

I’m saying if you don’t know at least one of the parties involved, or have some evidence, like say the Rice video, and there’s not reliable reporting like developed in the Driscoll scenario, let’s just stop being the Christian paparazzi. Who has posted has first had knowledge of what happened? Or evidence?

Scott Jones

I know several folks pretty closely involved. But if this is what you’re saying constitutes anything “from my own studies of online evidences then and now”…We are as the Body of Christ laying not just sinful accusations at a brother’s feet, but criminal ones. If they are true we should escort him to jail. Who’s willing to go to his house to do this?

Scott Jones

Sad Scott is sad. Sad Scott is sure the things said about Tony aren’t true but he doesn’t want to talk about that.

That Hemingway quote is awesome and made me cry. And it’s a little weird in context of the rest of your comment.

Annie

Also … let’s say (for assumption’s sake) … that a husband DID throw his wife on the ground and pull her arm from her socket. If the husband was at that time connected to the police force, and threatened the wife so that she was afraid to report the incident, so that she felt powerless … then when she finally was free of him, the statute of limitations had run its course … what then? No trial would be possible. Would you refuse to acknowedge the abuse in that scenario?

Danica

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