Tony Jones on Mark Driscoll: What came first, the thug or the theology?

Tony Jones on Mark Driscoll: What came first, the thug or the theology?

This drawing is inspired by the Ouroboros Snake... of the snake eating its own tail. 

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What came first? The chicken or the egg? What came first? The thug or the theology? I read Tony Jones' thoughts on Mark Driscoll.

Jones has always admired Driscoll, maybe envies him a little, wants the best for him, believes he can be redeemed, and suggests that things can be restored.

What I found most interesting though is that Jones believes the problem with Driscoll is theological.

  • He titles his post is "Thoughts about Mark Driscoll"
  • He talks about the "heady" days of publishing and speaking.
  • He dismisses his disturbing personality traits by his use of the word "sure".
  • He says it isn't a moral issue (evil) but that he is passionate.
  • He says more than once that Driscoll is "extremely smart" or "brilliant".
  • He suggests that he will "see" (as in "think"?) his way out of this.
  • He writes that Driscoll has just embraced a toxic version of theology.
  • He hopes that Driscoll will turn away from this toxic theology.
  • He concludes therefore that Driscoll is not the problem, but his theology.

But my question is‚ What came first? The thug or the theology?

That is, did Driscoll become the focus of concern because of his theology? Or was it because of his behavior?

I'm concerned that Jones' post reflects the refusal of the church to understand spiritual abuse. It neglects the pathology of its abusive leaders. I don't think this is being fair to the victims or the perpetrators of spiritual abuse. People are victims of not just a bad theology, but a pathological cruelty.

I don't think Driscoll's theology made this happen. Driscoll "embraced" his toxic version of theology because it aligned with his moral compass. It fit his personality. It worked for him to achieve his goals. Then it manifested the worst in him. Then he continued to develop his toxic theology in order to make more room for his pathological behavior. Mars Hill Church too.

Jones' sentence, "It could have happened to any of us." is true, because I believe we all participate in this dynamic. Theology is our creation. It is a reflection of our drives and desires.

Then, not satisfied to only be the product of our drives and desires, it also becomes the producer of them. Theology is a vicious cycle of our desperate need to understand and control our universe.

Step into this cycle at any point and you can see that we are both the root and fruit of our theology and pathology.

And yes, it spins out of control by manifesting itself in toxic, controlling, and abusive behavior. Nothing can be done about bad theology because of free thought and speech.

But we can do something when this manifests itself in bad behavior. Cruel theology is a nuisance. Cruel behavior is unacceptable.

When Driscoll thinks bully to his people, we can say please stop. But when he actually bullies people, we can step in and say you will stop now!

I don't think this is a theological issue. I think it is a pathological one. Not just for Driscoll and Jones, but for the entire church.

If we would be healed, our theology would take care of itself. 

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1079 comments

No Jen, that’s not really what I meant at all. However, I do recognize that I have been communicating very poorly tonight and failing miserably at making my intentions or my meanings clear at all. That is on me. I’m sorry to have disturbed this blog with my ineptitude. And I am especially sorry to have caused Julie any further distress. I’m not sure who she thinks I actually am, but all I really am just someone who was concerned about her plight and wanted to know more about the circumstances. I hope she finds the healing she needs and I’m glad the rest of you are here to help her with that. I apologize for detracting from that process with my questions. I really do think the best thing I can do right now is to just back out and let you all continue with the conversation you were having before I apparently derailed it.

AnImpartialObserver

So you won’t share your last name or private message it to me? That’s strange. But you want me to post information and share specific answers to questions you have pertaining to my divorce? Hmmm…and now I’m asking for your last name even in a private message you’re a victim. Okay, got it. Goodnight, Alex.

Julie McMahon

Twist and spin? This is what I was just saying. Case in point. I offered you my sincere and honest reason for choosing to stay anonymous and you’re refusing to accept it at face value. Instead you’re making assumptions about me and imputing other motives (and identities!) beyond what I’ve clearly stated. I’m sorry, but that’s the kind of response that definitely makes me not want to pursue things any further with you or trust you with any more information about myself. Please, forget I even asked you anything. I’m sorry I did.

AnImpartialObserver

Animpartial Observer – By saying " If this thread really is only about letting people speak their own truth, and not about exposing the bad behavior of the emergent leadership more broadly, then why even bring those stories up in the first place?" is just one more way of saying “shut up if you aren’t going to do what I want”.

Jen

Cop out. Man, you really know how to twist and spin. I did welcome and actually answered your questions Alex. Don’t be a martyr. I asked your last name and invited you to my home so what exactly is your problem? Most people are transparent with their names so yea….that’s suspect. So, if you want transparency then be transparent.

Julie McMahon

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