Tony Jones on Mark Driscoll: What came first, the thug or the theology?

Tony Jones on Mark Driscoll: What came first, the thug or the theology?

This drawing is inspired by the Ouroboros Snake... of the snake eating its own tail. 

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What came first? The chicken or the egg? What came first? The thug or the theology? I read Tony Jones' thoughts on Mark Driscoll.

Jones has always admired Driscoll, maybe envies him a little, wants the best for him, believes he can be redeemed, and suggests that things can be restored.

What I found most interesting though is that Jones believes the problem with Driscoll is theological.

  • He titles his post is "Thoughts about Mark Driscoll"
  • He talks about the "heady" days of publishing and speaking.
  • He dismisses his disturbing personality traits by his use of the word "sure".
  • He says it isn't a moral issue (evil) but that he is passionate.
  • He says more than once that Driscoll is "extremely smart" or "brilliant".
  • He suggests that he will "see" (as in "think"?) his way out of this.
  • He writes that Driscoll has just embraced a toxic version of theology.
  • He hopes that Driscoll will turn away from this toxic theology.
  • He concludes therefore that Driscoll is not the problem, but his theology.

But my question is‚ What came first? The thug or the theology?

That is, did Driscoll become the focus of concern because of his theology? Or was it because of his behavior?

I'm concerned that Jones' post reflects the refusal of the church to understand spiritual abuse. It neglects the pathology of its abusive leaders. I don't think this is being fair to the victims or the perpetrators of spiritual abuse. People are victims of not just a bad theology, but a pathological cruelty.

I don't think Driscoll's theology made this happen. Driscoll "embraced" his toxic version of theology because it aligned with his moral compass. It fit his personality. It worked for him to achieve his goals. Then it manifested the worst in him. Then he continued to develop his toxic theology in order to make more room for his pathological behavior. Mars Hill Church too.

Jones' sentence, "It could have happened to any of us." is true, because I believe we all participate in this dynamic. Theology is our creation. It is a reflection of our drives and desires.

Then, not satisfied to only be the product of our drives and desires, it also becomes the producer of them. Theology is a vicious cycle of our desperate need to understand and control our universe.

Step into this cycle at any point and you can see that we are both the root and fruit of our theology and pathology.

And yes, it spins out of control by manifesting itself in toxic, controlling, and abusive behavior. Nothing can be done about bad theology because of free thought and speech.

But we can do something when this manifests itself in bad behavior. Cruel theology is a nuisance. Cruel behavior is unacceptable.

When Driscoll thinks bully to his people, we can say please stop. But when he actually bullies people, we can step in and say you will stop now!

I don't think this is a theological issue. I think it is a pathological one. Not just for Driscoll and Jones, but for the entire church.

If we would be healed, our theology would take care of itself. 

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1079 comments

Be careful. There are skeletons and many bumps under the rug of issues. It isn’t until you hit one of those secrets that the realization comes to you. I have friends who said exactly what you have, Holly. Then the day came when they landed on truths that were well hidden. These friends soon realized they were on the wrong side of justice in the emergent wings. We now proudly call ourselves post-emergent. Which is ironic because for years we were post-modern Christianity.

I now live in a weird world. No place to really call a spiritual home. I do not fit in the modern christain world and I cannot, for my mental, physical, and family health be in the emergent conversation. I dared to stand up and speak out, I found a skeleton and trip over a bump on the rugs. I sometimes wish I had not. It was easier then. There is more than just a “dark side” to emergent. No amount of “I know good people from it” hides it or makes it right. It means people are enjoying a lies birthed on abuse of a lot of people. Once it happens to you, the little party looks like a house of horrors. There is no coming back once you it all for what it is.

Peace….

Lost Voice

I just want to thank everyone here for making the women sharing their hurt in this thread feel heard. So much of that went down before my time in emergence but I have borne witness to a lot of pain from women, people of color and other folks who sit far from the center of the movement. These voices inspire me and keep me working to cultivate more equitable spaces within emergence. This thread has been really impactful for the community. Here’s my blog response. http://www.patheos.com/blogs/emergentvillage/2014/10/the-dark-side-of-emergent-christianity/

Holly Roach

1. Donna-I think you meant to address David Hayward the Pastor of this blog and post? Not Brad(s) correct me if I’m wrong.
2. ReliStuPhD were you a part of AXXESS church in Texas? I’m beginning to connect dots.

Julie McMahon

Donna McDaniel, I’m curious which Brad you’re referring to. I get the feeling that Brad Cecil would actually be the one defending your defending your husband, so is it safe to assume you mean brad/futuristguy?

ReliStuPhD

Donna, please do feel free to tell your story – here, or in whatever place is best (most comfortable, safe) for you.

There are forums like TLS where you can share in private, or sharing here will help us all understand not only your story, but the bigger picture of destructive church patterns.

We will listen. We will support you.

Tim

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