Tony Jones on Mark Driscoll: What came first, the thug or the theology?

Tony Jones on Mark Driscoll: What came first, the thug or the theology?

This drawing is inspired by the Ouroboros Snake... of the snake eating its own tail. 

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What came first? The chicken or the egg? What came first? The thug or the theology? I read Tony Jones' thoughts on Mark Driscoll.

Jones has always admired Driscoll, maybe envies him a little, wants the best for him, believes he can be redeemed, and suggests that things can be restored.

What I found most interesting though is that Jones believes the problem with Driscoll is theological.

  • He titles his post is "Thoughts about Mark Driscoll"
  • He talks about the "heady" days of publishing and speaking.
  • He dismisses his disturbing personality traits by his use of the word "sure".
  • He says it isn't a moral issue (evil) but that he is passionate.
  • He says more than once that Driscoll is "extremely smart" or "brilliant".
  • He suggests that he will "see" (as in "think"?) his way out of this.
  • He writes that Driscoll has just embraced a toxic version of theology.
  • He hopes that Driscoll will turn away from this toxic theology.
  • He concludes therefore that Driscoll is not the problem, but his theology.

But my question is‚ What came first? The thug or the theology?

That is, did Driscoll become the focus of concern because of his theology? Or was it because of his behavior?

I'm concerned that Jones' post reflects the refusal of the church to understand spiritual abuse. It neglects the pathology of its abusive leaders. I don't think this is being fair to the victims or the perpetrators of spiritual abuse. People are victims of not just a bad theology, but a pathological cruelty.

I don't think Driscoll's theology made this happen. Driscoll "embraced" his toxic version of theology because it aligned with his moral compass. It fit his personality. It worked for him to achieve his goals. Then it manifested the worst in him. Then he continued to develop his toxic theology in order to make more room for his pathological behavior. Mars Hill Church too.

Jones' sentence, "It could have happened to any of us." is true, because I believe we all participate in this dynamic. Theology is our creation. It is a reflection of our drives and desires.

Then, not satisfied to only be the product of our drives and desires, it also becomes the producer of them. Theology is a vicious cycle of our desperate need to understand and control our universe.

Step into this cycle at any point and you can see that we are both the root and fruit of our theology and pathology.

And yes, it spins out of control by manifesting itself in toxic, controlling, and abusive behavior. Nothing can be done about bad theology because of free thought and speech.

But we can do something when this manifests itself in bad behavior. Cruel theology is a nuisance. Cruel behavior is unacceptable.

When Driscoll thinks bully to his people, we can say please stop. But when he actually bullies people, we can step in and say you will stop now!

I don't think this is a theological issue. I think it is a pathological one. Not just for Driscoll and Jones, but for the entire church.

If we would be healed, our theology would take care of itself. 

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“I apologize for my Irish coming out but that was 6 years in the making and there is nothing I loathe more than a fraud parading under the banner of “all peace love and kindness” while twisting the knife in someone’s back… – See more at: http://www.nakedpastor.ehermitsinc.com/2014/09/tony-jones-on-mark-driscoll-what-came-first-the-thug-or-the-theology/#sthash.AYAFUGZ6.dpuf -”

You don’t have to apologize to me. More of this sort of TRUTH needs to happen. I am with you on hating the fraud parade. I live with it every day, too. “Great men of God” who do evil behind the scenes and then blame the very people they have trampled on.

You know what is the worst part? They do their evil in the “Name of Jesus”. I would not want to be them.
Lydia

Tony, I don’t recall anyone asking you to defend yourself. Julie, as a friend recently reminded me…
“You own everything that happened to you. Tell your stories. If people wanted you to write warmly about them, they should’ve behaved better.” Anne Lamott
Thsee publicity seeking “pastors” make me sick to my stomach. I can’t even “do church” anymore.

Jen

And none of this would have been anyone’s business, Tony had you not desperately wanted to be seen as some kind of Christian leader, and had simply exited stage left “years ago.”

Bill Kinnon

Tony,
Don’t you ever get tired of playing the “Tony as victim” card. It is truly pathetic, sir.

Perhaps you should have thought about your kids when courting your “spiritual wife” while married to your “legal wife”. And “courting” is being generous.

Bill Kinnon

What’s happened on this post is truly tragic. I told Bill years ago and David last week: all the court records in our divorce and subsequent legal activity are public. Anyone who really cared to know the truth would not have much trouble finding the entire story. I have nothing to hide, as those records paint a clear picture.

However, I will neither air that dirty laundry nor defend myself in this forum. The reason for that is one that I ask each of you to consider: my children (14, 13, and 10) have computers and mobile devices, and they read the internet. Do you really think it is in their best interests to adjudicate these outrageous lies here? I don’t. So I am, indeed, bowing out. Anyone who would like to talk more about this can contact me privately or, as I said, pull the court proceedings and police records.

I will not be coming back to this post or this blog again.

Tony Jones

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