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This drawing is inspired by the Ouroboros Snake... of the snake eating its own tail.
What came first? The chicken or the egg? What came first? The thug or the theology? I read Tony Jones' thoughts on Mark Driscoll.
Jones has always admired Driscoll, maybe envies him a little, wants the best for him, believes he can be redeemed, and suggests that things can be restored.
What I found most interesting though is that Jones believes the problem with Driscoll is theological.
That is, did Driscoll become the focus of concern because of his theology? Or was it because of his behavior?
I'm concerned that Jones' post reflects the refusal of the church to understand spiritual abuse. It neglects the pathology of its abusive leaders. I don't think this is being fair to the victims or the perpetrators of spiritual abuse. People are victims of not just a bad theology, but a pathological cruelty.
I don't think Driscoll's theology made this happen. Driscoll "embraced" his toxic version of theology because it aligned with his moral compass. It fit his personality. It worked for him to achieve his goals. Then it manifested the worst in him. Then he continued to develop his toxic theology in order to make more room for his pathological behavior. Mars Hill Church too.
Jones' sentence, "It could have happened to any of us." is true, because I believe we all participate in this dynamic. Theology is our creation. It is a reflection of our drives and desires.
Then, not satisfied to only be the product of our drives and desires, it also becomes the producer of them. Theology is a vicious cycle of our desperate need to understand and control our universe.
Step into this cycle at any point and you can see that we are both the root and fruit of our theology and pathology.
And yes, it spins out of control by manifesting itself in toxic, controlling, and abusive behavior. Nothing can be done about bad theology because of free thought and speech.
But we can do something when this manifests itself in bad behavior. Cruel theology is a nuisance. Cruel behavior is unacceptable.
When Driscoll thinks bully to his people, we can say please stop. But when he actually bullies people, we can step in and say you will stop now!
I don't think this is a theological issue. I think it is a pathological one. Not just for Driscoll and Jones, but for the entire church.
If we would be healed, our theology would take care of itself.
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“It’s a public blog. It’s like many churches I’ve encountered, willing to throw stones at the most likely perpetrator and forgetting that while we can’t ignore injustice we need to comfort, forgive, and be good to even our enemies.”
Would you explain how a long time professing Christian can be an “enemy”? Jesus hung on the cross so “His” people could abuse others and no big deal? I do not understand your Christiantiy. You take proof texts written about dealing with Roman occupiers and apply them to Christian relationships. (Did you not notice Jesus was not so warm and fuzzy when it came to the “religious leaders” of His own tribe who were using people for their own gain?)
If someone is professing Christ and making a living off teaching about Him yet is abusive in private then there is a bigger problem. Forgiveness is not being silent or not warning others. You want others used abused in the Name of Christ?Yes, it is very uncomfortable for you to read. But Julie had to LIVE IN IT. Her kids have to live with it and learn to manage it. You want to make sure a kid grows up unhealthy? Then just try to make them think it is a sin to discuss what was done to them. NOt only that but they have to deal with having a “spiritual” stepmother? What on earth does all this mean to their view of Jesus Christ?
Catherine Siena tl;dr- Julie, I totes understand where you’re coming from and what you need from this and some day you’ll grow up and do it more maturely (headpat, concern troll)
It’s not about whether we believe or don’t believe. There is a hurting person here and this is a terrible place to get help. Somebody just told somebody else to fuck off back to sodom which I can only assume is not a nice thing. Why do WE need to hear Julie, why is it our business if her famous husband did something during a nasty divorce? Because we like gossip, we like dragging people in mud, and we love a juicy story. Hate me if you like, but a place were people are allowed to say things like fuck off back to sodom is not a good place to get help when somebody has been violent to you and emotionally abusive. How do we know that “fuck off back to sodom” won’t be said to Julie by somebody else who doesn’t like her side of the story.
I appreciate your concern, but I’m good. Not angry just telling my story. This was years ago and it only came up because of the Mars Hill sitch. I welcome and engage in the dialogue publicly, because it involves public figures. This experience has made me as invincible as a cockroach after nuclear war…I’m still standing. You do not have to read this thread. I am very sorry for your situation. It’s awful and harrowing, but I can also thank my abuser because of the strength and clarity of self this process has led me to. Peace. I like me and I sleep restfully through the night. I know there is no peace when living a life of lies and deception or abusing positions of power under the banner of God.
Oh look! A dead saint can type! Because of this, we should take everything we read in anonymity seriously.
—Abraham Lincoln