Tony Jones on Mark Driscoll: What came first, the thug or the theology?

Tony Jones on Mark Driscoll: What came first, the thug or the theology?

This drawing is inspired by the Ouroboros Snake... of the snake eating its own tail. 

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What came first? The chicken or the egg? What came first? The thug or the theology? I read Tony Jones' thoughts on Mark Driscoll.

Jones has always admired Driscoll, maybe envies him a little, wants the best for him, believes he can be redeemed, and suggests that things can be restored.

What I found most interesting though is that Jones believes the problem with Driscoll is theological.

  • He titles his post is "Thoughts about Mark Driscoll"
  • He talks about the "heady" days of publishing and speaking.
  • He dismisses his disturbing personality traits by his use of the word "sure".
  • He says it isn't a moral issue (evil) but that he is passionate.
  • He says more than once that Driscoll is "extremely smart" or "brilliant".
  • He suggests that he will "see" (as in "think"?) his way out of this.
  • He writes that Driscoll has just embraced a toxic version of theology.
  • He hopes that Driscoll will turn away from this toxic theology.
  • He concludes therefore that Driscoll is not the problem, but his theology.

But my question is‚ What came first? The thug or the theology?

That is, did Driscoll become the focus of concern because of his theology? Or was it because of his behavior?

I'm concerned that Jones' post reflects the refusal of the church to understand spiritual abuse. It neglects the pathology of its abusive leaders. I don't think this is being fair to the victims or the perpetrators of spiritual abuse. People are victims of not just a bad theology, but a pathological cruelty.

I don't think Driscoll's theology made this happen. Driscoll "embraced" his toxic version of theology because it aligned with his moral compass. It fit his personality. It worked for him to achieve his goals. Then it manifested the worst in him. Then he continued to develop his toxic theology in order to make more room for his pathological behavior. Mars Hill Church too.

Jones' sentence, "It could have happened to any of us." is true, because I believe we all participate in this dynamic. Theology is our creation. It is a reflection of our drives and desires.

Then, not satisfied to only be the product of our drives and desires, it also becomes the producer of them. Theology is a vicious cycle of our desperate need to understand and control our universe.

Step into this cycle at any point and you can see that we are both the root and fruit of our theology and pathology.

And yes, it spins out of control by manifesting itself in toxic, controlling, and abusive behavior. Nothing can be done about bad theology because of free thought and speech.

But we can do something when this manifests itself in bad behavior. Cruel theology is a nuisance. Cruel behavior is unacceptable.

When Driscoll thinks bully to his people, we can say please stop. But when he actually bullies people, we can step in and say you will stop now!

I don't think this is a theological issue. I think it is a pathological one. Not just for Driscoll and Jones, but for the entire church.

If we would be healed, our theology would take care of itself. 

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1079 comments

Also bit uneasy about AnImpartialObserver’s request. Not something most would request in a public forum like this — an certainly not a request that one should fulfill.

Rick

Brad-Yes, they may have crossed over the line my mentioning the two other instances of Emergent leaders behaving badly, but it is all related as this culture has accepted this as okay. They have looked the other way. I do have more info on both of those instances, that I will not get into. There is a much larger story here. It is about this culture that grew out of Leadership Network, Emergent, Outlaw Preacher, JoPa Productions, Cana Initiative…same leadership at the top aware of mental illness, improprieties, spiritual wife garbage and people treated like crap, and they just keep right on selling those books, taking the $200 per person conference fee, and sweep it all under the rug hoping nobody asks about the large lumps.

Julie McMahon

I also have an unsettled feeling, Alex/AnImpartialObserver, about see a smiley face after asking for such details. You seem informed on a lot of things, but that emoticon doesn’t help my sense of trust about the what and why …

brad/futuristguy

Animpartial Alex….I don’t feel comfortable, as I don’t trust you. You seem a little too eager and interested if you know what I mean? I emailed last week the letter to all of the 6 Emergent leaders. Ask your friend to post it. Or, you can ask one of them to post it.

The people whose opinion I care most about have it.

I am writing my story and will have it in there as well as other corroborating evidences. Wait for the self published ebook. Not that I would expect anyone to buy it, but because I want my kids to have it when they are older and asked what happened. All emails, hospital records, doctors follow up notes, the discernment letter, the saved Emergent Village Bio page and posts and cross posts before they were deleted, the sex emails, the psych eval and the custody evaluation.

Do I need to post it for you? No.

You can choose to believe me or not. I really don’t care. This has been cathartic and I feel truly supported by amazing people who recognize the truth and stand up for it….but I grow weary and this has been about a month and I got shit to do.

Donna, I feel your pain. If Andrew and Debbie state that there really was an honest come clean full and detailed account with genuine remorse, that says something. I know God can redeem the ones courageous enough to be broken and fall on their knees and ask for forgiveness. It’s the sick ones that can’t I have low tolerance for. Of course, he should ask for forgiveness from you and your children. I understand all too well. Peace to us both for surviving that crap! And peace for our kids who never asked for any of this.

Julie McMahon

What happens to us is our story, it isn’t gossip. But Julie, for what it’s worth, my gut tells me that the two rumors you mentioned several comments ago probably stepped over the line UNLESS something about those other stories directly connects with and affects you and your story …

brad/futuristguy

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