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This drawing is inspired by the Ouroboros Snake... of the snake eating its own tail.
What came first? The chicken or the egg? What came first? The thug or the theology? I read Tony Jones' thoughts on Mark Driscoll.
Jones has always admired Driscoll, maybe envies him a little, wants the best for him, believes he can be redeemed, and suggests that things can be restored.
What I found most interesting though is that Jones believes the problem with Driscoll is theological.
That is, did Driscoll become the focus of concern because of his theology? Or was it because of his behavior?
I'm concerned that Jones' post reflects the refusal of the church to understand spiritual abuse. It neglects the pathology of its abusive leaders. I don't think this is being fair to the victims or the perpetrators of spiritual abuse. People are victims of not just a bad theology, but a pathological cruelty.
I don't think Driscoll's theology made this happen. Driscoll "embraced" his toxic version of theology because it aligned with his moral compass. It fit his personality. It worked for him to achieve his goals. Then it manifested the worst in him. Then he continued to develop his toxic theology in order to make more room for his pathological behavior. Mars Hill Church too.
Jones' sentence, "It could have happened to any of us." is true, because I believe we all participate in this dynamic. Theology is our creation. It is a reflection of our drives and desires.
Then, not satisfied to only be the product of our drives and desires, it also becomes the producer of them. Theology is a vicious cycle of our desperate need to understand and control our universe.
Step into this cycle at any point and you can see that we are both the root and fruit of our theology and pathology.
And yes, it spins out of control by manifesting itself in toxic, controlling, and abusive behavior. Nothing can be done about bad theology because of free thought and speech.
But we can do something when this manifests itself in bad behavior. Cruel theology is a nuisance. Cruel behavior is unacceptable.
When Driscoll thinks bully to his people, we can say please stop. But when he actually bullies people, we can step in and say you will stop now!
I don't think this is a theological issue. I think it is a pathological one. Not just for Driscoll and Jones, but for the entire church.
If we would be healed, our theology would take care of itself.
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Oh, and David Hayward, since Julie said she can’t post the discernment letter here but that you had a copy of it, would be willing to copy and paste the text of it here? I still think it would be helpful to have all the data we have here in front of us. Whatever you can do. Thanks!
Thank you for those details. Feel free to share more specifics about those other folks you mentioned too if you can. I don’t know a whole lot about the behind the scenes of emergent stuff so all of this is still a little vague for me. My apologies – maybe it’s already common knowledge for the rest of ya’ll. Who else had an affair with a woman in his congregation? Who was sleeping with a seminary student? If you’re going to bring stuff like that up, you might as well name names, right? :)
I love Andrew Jones. He makes me believe again.
Alex, Thank you for being transparent. Those involved did a really shitty job handling it when I reached out. It appears they cannot even offer the smallest apology for the mishandling of a “discernment” without me present. They keep saying I asked for one. Who would do that without myself present or on a conference call. Which was my first red flag. If someone reached out to me I would respond….I certainly would not give them the silent treatment or a one line email, “I am concerned by your level of paranoia.” “We are gravely concerned about your ability to care for your children.” Did they conspire to cover up? They can only answer that for themselves. Either Danielle Shroyer is the worlds most unobservant person ever, or she’s lying about what went on under her nose, in her church with those two. Journey church was his dissertation church. Many visits. Lots of wining and dining and poker nights. They met in 2004. She came to a BBQ at my home. She commented on his now deleted old blog…flirty about the “sassy new friends I met in Dallas at Journey church.” She is written about on page 198 of the Dispatches from the Emergent Frontier. Doug knew. He accidentally spilled the beans that he knew. I don’t know about Brian McLaren, Mike King or Brad Cecil but I can tell you one of those men was also accused of having an affair with a woman in his congregation. I can also tell you about a widely known Emergent-type author speaker who it is rumored spoke at Mars Hill Seminary and slept with a seminary student in his down time. So, why would these people want this shut down too? Seems obvious to me. The letter said, “We want you to immediately and voluntarily check into a hospital.” Isn’t that a weird response to help, I think there is something seriously wrong going on with my husband! Whether it was knowing or unknowing….I’ll never know. Danielle, Doug and said subject….absolutely.
Andrew-
This reply reminds me why you have always had a special place in my heart. My biggest regret is that we have never met over these long years.
Blessings!!!