Tony Jones on Mark Driscoll: What came first, the thug or the theology?

Tony Jones on Mark Driscoll: What came first, the thug or the theology?

This drawing is inspired by the Ouroboros Snake... of the snake eating its own tail. 

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What came first? The chicken or the egg? What came first? The thug or the theology? I read Tony Jones' thoughts on Mark Driscoll.

Jones has always admired Driscoll, maybe envies him a little, wants the best for him, believes he can be redeemed, and suggests that things can be restored.

What I found most interesting though is that Jones believes the problem with Driscoll is theological.

  • He titles his post is "Thoughts about Mark Driscoll"
  • He talks about the "heady" days of publishing and speaking.
  • He dismisses his disturbing personality traits by his use of the word "sure".
  • He says it isn't a moral issue (evil) but that he is passionate.
  • He says more than once that Driscoll is "extremely smart" or "brilliant".
  • He suggests that he will "see" (as in "think"?) his way out of this.
  • He writes that Driscoll has just embraced a toxic version of theology.
  • He hopes that Driscoll will turn away from this toxic theology.
  • He concludes therefore that Driscoll is not the problem, but his theology.

But my question is‚ What came first? The thug or the theology?

That is, did Driscoll become the focus of concern because of his theology? Or was it because of his behavior?

I'm concerned that Jones' post reflects the refusal of the church to understand spiritual abuse. It neglects the pathology of its abusive leaders. I don't think this is being fair to the victims or the perpetrators of spiritual abuse. People are victims of not just a bad theology, but a pathological cruelty.

I don't think Driscoll's theology made this happen. Driscoll "embraced" his toxic version of theology because it aligned with his moral compass. It fit his personality. It worked for him to achieve his goals. Then it manifested the worst in him. Then he continued to develop his toxic theology in order to make more room for his pathological behavior. Mars Hill Church too.

Jones' sentence, "It could have happened to any of us." is true, because I believe we all participate in this dynamic. Theology is our creation. It is a reflection of our drives and desires.

Then, not satisfied to only be the product of our drives and desires, it also becomes the producer of them. Theology is a vicious cycle of our desperate need to understand and control our universe.

Step into this cycle at any point and you can see that we are both the root and fruit of our theology and pathology.

And yes, it spins out of control by manifesting itself in toxic, controlling, and abusive behavior. Nothing can be done about bad theology because of free thought and speech.

But we can do something when this manifests itself in bad behavior. Cruel theology is a nuisance. Cruel behavior is unacceptable.

When Driscoll thinks bully to his people, we can say please stop. But when he actually bullies people, we can step in and say you will stop now!

I don't think this is a theological issue. I think it is a pathological one. Not just for Driscoll and Jones, but for the entire church.

If we would be healed, our theology would take care of itself. 

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1079 comments

@Danica, thanks for being open about your process and journey! It’s a good thing for me to see those dynamics too. and, btw, you weren’t one of the people I was talking about either.

@John Hubanks, thanks for seeking to understand. I know I don’t always communicate well. In fact, there have been times that I look back on and really regret the way I’ve communicated with people (IRL and virtual). So, thanks responding and letting me clarify.

Nathan

Danica, I completely agree with you…this is a collective story of people who have been kicked to the side, marginalized and silenced. It’s not okay and we are speaking up!

Julie McMahon

Checking back in, so glad to see this thread going strong. I specifically want to address Nathan – I agree with you that All The COmments are distracting … but for me (I’ve commented a lot on this thread), I’ve honestly commented for myself. I needed to be able to confront the Strong Male Leader and I feel like this thread has been one more step in my journey to finding and practicing my voice. So I guess I would like you to know that it’s not just about Julie and her story, but about lots of other peopel in what seems to be almost a mass catharsis.

Also, your typos are totally fine by me :)

Danica

Lost voice, some people are never happy, and will always try to convince you that you are lost, and have lost.

But you took action to protect yourself and move on. That is courageous, and shows inner strength.

Tim

Lost voice (found here) you didn’t let them win. I know those people and they are not happy. It is not possible to be happy carrying on through life with a false self. Trampling over people to get to the next rung. You have already won, not them. You are here. Who cares if you deleted all the evidence. We believe you! We are holding your story with you. I am not really familiar with Outlaw Preachers but I know I reached out to Nadia Bolz-Weber and she hung up on me. Silly me thought surely a feminist will care about what I have to say! They didn’t care to discern some serious and real information. Aren’t they Pastors? What Pastor hangs up on you? What Pastor hears real and serious information and won’t email you back….does nothing about it?! I think that is highly suspect.

Julie McMahon

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